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"Muslim" atheists, what made you lose faith?

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I'm curious what made you people lose faith in islam?

For me, I started losing faith ever since I was 10 years old, when I heard those stories in school I swear my eyes were rolling at how crazy they were, I used to think like "are we supposed to believe this? I could come up with a better story" lol Also I had christian best friends when I was young and I heard that only muslims are allowed in heaven and that followers of different religions will go to hell, I remember I was SO angry about this. They expected me to stop being friends with them lol. Also it's mentioned in the quran that people who convert from islam or people who lose faith should be killed immediately because they're a threat and can cause chaos. It was just clear to me early on that this a religion of hate and inequality.

Then as I got older I started to think about the stories that were told to me:

1. Prophet mohamed lived in a cave for 6 months to wonder about the beauty in this world and that there must be a creator. Why would he stay in a CAVE for 6 MONTHS to think about this? unless he really wasnt in a cave for 6 months, 6 months is plenty of time to plan out a masterpiece. He must've met with the sahaba who were probably literary geniuses and scientists and discussed his new idea. He must've thought "everybody's doing it you guys, why not us?!"

2. God the almighty releases the quran page by page, on the course of what, 20 years? Again 20 years is plenty of time to perfect the quran. Think about a group of 20 geniuses of our time group up and have a 20 years time frame to make a masterpiece, I think they would make a better book.

3. With all those stories of miracles and magic etc. you hear about why hasnt one miracle occurred in the last 500 years or more? Another proof because we only hear about them but of course we'll never witness any. I love it when people post pictures on facebook like an "allah" carved on a tree or something and people go "SUBHAN ALLAH!!" it's just so sad.

I can go on but there are too many, but those were my top reasons.

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    Islam is self-contradictory. I wasn't keen on leaving my entire life in the hands of blind faith. Holy books are all talk and no action. It isn't backed by logic or reason and we are meant to foolishly follow it because it's what others around us are doing. Diversity of human religions also caused me to really question this nonsense. I've no problem with people who have faith but they need to at least admit to themselves that what they believe in is mythology and nothing more.

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  • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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    Thanks for replying, but please I dont want this to be an atheists vs. theists discussion. :)

    Diversity of human religions is also one of the reasons for me, to loosely quote Ricky Gervais (a british comedian) "There are over 270 gods in this world, you believe in one of them!". There were religions before islam, people even worshiped statues, it goes to show that we cant live without believing in something, anything that will give us hope that there is a purpose for our existence, this is why people blindly believe in religions. I feel that even if somehow there was a way to convince people there is no god, most wont admit they are convinced, I hope I'm wrong though.

    • 25-34_m_w_h1_f4
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      but do you think if they say there is no god that it will change them as people..? maybe they will be the same and use other things than religion as excuses for their actions.

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    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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      But then they'll be simply labelled as bad people, they wont be able to use that other thing to justify their actions like they do with religion. So they'll either be genuinely good or genuinely bad, no masks, no excuses. If you look at countries with a greater number of atheists than religious people you'll notice they're more developed and civilized. Look at this list for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country All countries with a percentage of 15% or lower are developing countries, with very few exceptions, that alone says a lot.

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    • I'm a believer .. I believer that there is a GOD because really he's there for me and I feel it being gay does not mean that I can't be a good Muslim .. plus so many things are well said in the Koran + people always misunderstand the verses like it is with the story of Sodome ;)

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      agreed

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  • 17-24_f_w_h2_f4
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    Okay. So basically, for me, I'm not an atheist. Not really. I believe in God, but a universal one. I feel more comfortable saying that I believe in God, not religion.

    What made me "leave" Islam was that I couldn't understand how a God who is supposed to be "All Forgiving, All Merciful" would damn to Hell anyone who wasn't a Muslim or straight or perfect. It just didn't make sense. For Christians, it was "God was Love" or "Jesus Loves You". Well, if does He love me as a Christian, or a person, or a Muslim, or what?

    I also found the lack of tolerance unnerving. The overall reaction to people who were unlike you appalled me. I was like, "dafuq. Are we serious right now?"

    I also discovered that religion was really hypocritical and was just completely nonsensical and self-contradictory. On one page of the Quran, you have one thing, and on the other side, you have the complete opposite being said.

    I also despise people who are so self-righteous. One woman said, "Nashwa, habibty, you're going to go to Hell if you continue like this." I just smiled at her and said, "Bitch, who died and made you a prophet?? Who gave you permission to put words in God's mouth? You don't know ANYTHING."

    That being said, I have no tolerance for people who mock religions. If I see a page that says "Fuck Islam" or "Fuck Christianity" or "Fuck Allah", I'll defend it. Because Islam and Christianity are misunderstood very easily. People can understand it way too literally. I do not RESPECT your religion, I respect your right to PRACTICE your religion peacefully.

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  • 17-24_m_w_h3_f1
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    I actually never lost it, I may sound really contradictory, but yea.. I'm what I am, yet I pray and I most likely stick to God's rules, ofc I broke a few, who hasn't? but yea I'm still a Muslim and a proud one really, there's so much you need to understand in Islam, because some seems really confusing, I know that.. like why'd people go to hell just because they're on a different religion, all that.. but some questions won't be answered, which is why atleast if I lay my blind faith in something, I lay it in Islam.

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      I dont like when people say that "some questions cant and wont be answered and that only God knows the answer bla bla" all people need to do is THINK and use the brain God gave them. You believe in God? You love him and believe in his great mercy and tolerance and JUSTICE? God's justice is the utmost justice right? God can never be unfair or wrong, right? Then how do you (not you in person kutakilu :P) or anyone ever think that non-muslims will go to hell? God stated that he looks thru people's hearts before actions and if he sees a person acting nice to everyone else being helpful to everyone and the poor as well and doesnt cheat or steal or kill or rape etc but somehow he is Christian or Jewish..what would God's reason be to throw him in hell ? I dont find any really I mean what would God tell him? "sorry dude we know you did really great but you're not a muslim" ? well, i dont see God saying such a thing :P hence my strong faith in him and his justice makes me disagree that any non-muslim will go to hell. End of story. Hence, i dont lose faith in his justice or mercy and i know he'll reward everyone regardless of their religion based ONLY on their actions. End of story again. So whats written in Holy Books (all of them) is either misunderstood or out of context like how people just get couple of lines and say "seee seeeee!! Islam says kill 'em all!" and theres a reason Qura'an is in chapters and Surahs and Versues so you can tell that this page is talking about a certain story or an example but next one is about something else and its not all on top of each other hence there is Islamic studies (and Christian ones as well etc) to help people understand better and not judge quickly based on a word here or a line there.

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    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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      @delusions, Can you read the verse 4:34 in the quran and tell me what you took of it? Dont read a tafsir or anything yet just read the verse itself and tell me what you think. Then after you've understood what it says clearly I want you to read any tafsir and tell me that it doesnt sound extremely apologetic and manipulative to you.

      And dont you think that a book that cant send its message clearly and can be taken out of context so easily is not so holy after all? Like arent we better off without it anyway? Why wouldnt a holy book be so easily understood by everyone, why would I need to listen to the tafsir of a human being like myself (btw there are many different tafsirs of the quran) who could be wrong anyway. I've heard many people talk about how not one scholar is to be trusted, even the azhar scholars. You rarely find a sheikh or scholar who talks in a good way, doesnt that make you think?

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    • 17-24_f_f_h3_f3
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      Ok, I read it (4:34) and yes huge women's rights issue here from just the "looks" of it :p However, when the Prophet asked about "beating women" he clearly stated that the maximum of it is lightly a spank on the back of the hand not a boxing match. But away from the point, theres a reason God also gave women the right to ask for divorce and allowed it after right? So if she doesnt wanna deal with her husband then ask for it and save everyone the trouble. Also about the first line in that verse thinking about it without again going to any tafsir or anything, logic tells me who is always asked to be the bread maker of the family and to spend money on them and to find a job and to take care financially of everyone not only his own family but can be parents, uncles or aunts as well? its the MAN so yeah it makes sense but pretty sure it isnt meant that men have super powers that women dont or that they will automatically go to heaven while women wont and my brain reminds me of how God after all judges each and every person the same in the end if they do good they get good if they do bad they get bad and gender was never an issue of favoring. And all this i did conclude on my own really easily using the brain God gave me and i refused to just "read" and be like "AHA! GOD LOVES MEN MORE THAN WOMEN!" . No one has to agree with me not even saying i'm ultimately right I'm just telling you what I've concluded just by reading.

      I see what you mean anyways and yet I dont really read tafsir or need it I only use the brain God gave me to try understand things I dont need another regular human to tell me what i have to do to go to heaven lol. I treat religion differently and I treat God with love. If you love someone you try to please them out of love not because a book ordered you to or someone told you to.

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    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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      Ok thank you for being honest, I respect your opinion and its not the first time I've heard a similar opinion. Now you said that the prophet said to lightly hit them and not a boxing match LOL :D, well I have a few questions about this, why would there be hitting in the first place? Why is it only the man who can (or told to) hit and not the woman? Why wasnt it clearer in the quran what kind of beating was recommended instead of leaving it vague for everyone to interpret it the way they want to? And did you notice that it says to advise them AND hit them at the same time? How does that make any sense? How can you advise and hit at the same time? there's also verse 4:15 if you're interested to read more, actually the whole chapter is really interesting to read lol.

      Also about the men generally being the ones responsible of financial matters in the arab world, dont you think that this is what will normally be the case when your own scripture tells you so? In western societies many woman are independent and perfectly fine with it, they dont need to get married for financial support but for other things such as love or family etc. Why would a holy scripture make it a RULE that women are generally inferior to men? What if there were exceptions? And we know there are many, why would the man STILL have the upper hand?

      See how many questions can be asked about just one verse? We still didnt discuss how a woman inherits half what a man inherits, stoning to death, how women are (naqesat 3a2l wa deen), these are some of the issue with women's rights in islam; you cant deny there's a lot of misogyny. There are also many other topics that are full of questionable morality but I dont want to bore you.

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    • 17-24_f_f_h3_f3
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      Wait a minute, it never said "you HAVE to beat them up" you know :p human beings regardless of the religion, lets get real, our race sometimes tend to violence very easily and beating does occur even from very young age so lets not blame it on any religion :p And where did it ever say women cant hit men (which we know statistically and due to their crazy hormones and nature) they do it a lot anyways (personally i hit my best friends (both guys) all the time and blame it on pms) so thing is, I'm NOT with it and I'm not agreeing with it and thankfully i've been raised around respectful male figures who'd never lay a finger on a woman and they're pretty religious. I'm not gonna defend that line I'm just saying my personal opinion on it which is IFFFF 'beating' would occur cuz again we're humans and humans sadly sometimes do that (with or without religion) then it MUST be lightly to perhaps help deliver a point. Same as you may think the prophet encourages to violence towards women it was him who also said "the best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife" (tirmidhi-sahih).

      And believe me this chapter has always been "interesting" to me as well and i've had so many arguments against some parts of it.

      In Western societies when women divorce men they take pretty much all their money and they get paid alimony as long as they're not re-married doesnt matter for how long. Also men have to pay child support. There are also a lot of stay at home mothers and rarely a stay at home dads. Everywhere you can find independent women (i work with many of those who have good income and pay for their own master degrees studies etc) i personally rarely ask for a dime from my parents even tho they can give me a lot and i do know a female friend from USA who is planning to stay at home and have her laundry done and her food cooked and her parents buy her stuff for as long as she wants (she is 29 now) so do not generalize and do not tell me in Western societies everyone is all indpentent and in Muslim ones they're all the opposite as i see SO many grown up "men" past their 30s still living with their parents not willing to find a job unless its a CEO of the world with 1 bil dollars salary! And i see lots of young smart women trying their best. Never generalize then blame it on religion :p if someone wanna be a bum they will be a bum doesnt matter if they believe in God or no.

      So so far i see most of these points are humanly common and each and every case can easily be found among a society that believes in God and a society that doesn't.

      Then having a faith or believing, i believe should be direct from a human being to God and better to not have books or "scholars" involved in the middle. And if Islam wasnt't introduced to the world at all I'm sure I'd still believe in God himself so religion is pretty much something you belong to or to have it written in your ID or a tradition or whatever but relation to God is another story.

      Again, i Totally respect your opinion and i'm just saying mine. that's all.

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    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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      Thank you for replying and for respecting my opinion as I do yours but I have to make some things clear 'cause you put words in my mouth lol, I did not say ALL women and ALL men, I said many women, and of course there are many men in the arab society that are not successful and I said that (duh lol, its clear in egypt especially) but look at the percentage of independence and success-fulness in women in the eastern and western societies, there's a clear difference.

      So I wasnt generalizing but thats not my point anyway; I'm not comparing eastern women to western, I'm saying that women in general can be independent, that they can be just as successful and they dont need a man in their life to survive but in the arab world they are FORCED to marry young and FORCED to be the inferior being thus their role in society is greatly absent, other than giving birth of course with a few exceptions. I'm sure you know many "independent" arab women, I've seen many myself but that doesnt prove anything, it just proves that people are resisting these 1400 years old laws just like the bible has been modified to "fit" the 21st century lol, but in many countries they cant resist these laws like saudi arabia, libya, the gulf area in general, iran, pakistan etc. so many women suffer while fellow arab women like yourself pretend like everything is fine, who will stand up for them, then?

      There's also a very important point about hitting is that you cant compare hitting in islam to hitting anywhere else, there's a huge difference between hitting your wife because you're an asshole and hitting because your religion recommends it (again I didnt say it says must but I cant believe you just said that, it doesnt say you have to hit them? so if it says to rape women who are not wearing enough clothes we shouldnt be mad because it doesnt say we HAVE to? this is the quran delusions not some best seller.)

      Did you hear about little girls getting married to old men in arab countries? and by little I mean 10-15 years old little to 50-70 year old men, your religion doesnt tell you you HAVE to marry little children but it allows it, how would you feel if you were married when you were 12 years old? Imagine how many little girls dont have a voice to call out for help but we completely ignore them because we're oblivious to the ugly things that happen all around us.

      I love your last paragraph because its a very good point, people think that if they leave islam then they'll be atheists, no you can still believe in a god but it doesnt have to be allah; maybe its a god of another religion or a god that doesnt demand us to pray for him 5 times a day (wouldnt that be nice? :p) maybe he'll never give us a sign that he's there or release a holy book, maybe he'll just judge us on being good people instead of punishing us for not believing. I'll live my life doing good and not following any religion and if god does turn out to be allah (no offense but I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it) then lets hope he forgives me. :p

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    • 17-24_f_f_h3_f3
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      Didnt mean to put words in your mouth sorry if it seemed this way ^^ Anyhow, but then again bad things happen to women all over the world and they do get forced to marry young in countries with a majority of non muslims, you can google marriage ages i recall seeing some statistic once. Women also do get raped and treated bad in very advanced non muslim countries so in short dear we're facing a human problem not a religion one more like a men problem of not being able to respect women the way they should and i'd be very unfair if i try to blame it on religion (any religion). Like i said a respectful man knows how to treat a lady even if hes atheist or religious and i see a live example of it daily with my dad. And i mentioned earlier the hadith that inflects that best among us is the best to his wife and the examples are more both from Quran and hadith but i won't go there. So taking 1 bad example (yes i do admit its bad) to judge a whole religion is not fair cuz it also has many good parts (17:23-25 or 1:17 or 1:236 or surah 109 which is a great early example of accepting religion diversity or how in Quran in surah 19 regarding to women's issue how Quran defended Virgin Mary strongly cuz if it was a made up self centered religion why would it give a rat's ass about it) and thing is i can easily come up with over 100 good reference from Quran and i can come up with annoying ones as well which just proves something to me and its that religion isnt perfect it has been handled from a person to another but God is hence the faith in him :p Its not fair for any religion to be judged by a line here and a line there if i wanna fully judge something i'll have to read it all and perhaps do more than just reading if i wanna end up being fair to myself and to it and humans tend to recognize the things they dont like easier than the good ones. Like if in a religion it states that drinking is bad and you're allergic to alchohol you'd not care at all for this but if you happen to be an alcoholic it'd be such a huge issue for you and easy way out would be saying that religion is crap and you wanna out of it. Its just that disbelieving reasons are not all very convincing and some based on personal reasons when logic should be the only way of thinking things thru and logic doesnt say look at 1 part and build up a whole review but analyze all.

      Let me just once more state that God is the perfect one not the books. Whoever that God is. But i personally would for sure hope its the one i follow because i dont really have many problems with :p . You know believing in something whatever that thing is really does feel cozy :p .

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  • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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    i tried starting a discussion, but it didn't work
    i posted it twice, didnt seem to appear
    help please

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  • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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    I just want to say that I dont mean to offend anyone here, I love everyone here of course and we're like a big family, this place has helped me a lot with my issues. But this topic is meant for discussing religion and not ridiculing people's beliefs, I respect that everyone has the right to believe what they want just as I expect people to respect my lack of it, but there's nothing wrong with a grown up discussion about big topics such as this. I really think discussions about these matters are very important nowadays because of everything thats going wrong around us in the arab world, the arab world is falling apart and there are many tortured souls that we should care about instead of going on with our own business so I hope more people would care and try to figure out what the issue is.

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    And I want to share this video, again I dont want to convince anyone of anything, I just want you to think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RXmkftK0Sw

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  • 17-24_f_w_h3_f4
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    I was always confused my entire life but that was more of my parents fault because they were "muslims" but not religious at all. My father first taught me how to pray when I was 12. I did it a few times then thought it was pointless. I went to school and listened to my teacher teach me about Islam but I felt like I was following blindly.
    So what's next?
    When I was 15 I decided that I was old enough to read and try to understand religion or if even a God did in fact exist...after 2 years when I was 17 after reading the Quran, bible, Torah and lots about other religions and theories including Buddhism, Atheism and even Scientology.
    I finally decided that Islam made the most sense for me. I'm Muslim, thats what I believe in. I'm lesbian, that's just who I'm attracted to. Can someone be both? Yes, I'm living proof.
    Sure if you did the same, you can decide differently as everyone is different.
    The point is that the best way to find the path that suits you as I was feeling very lost is to shut everyone out and read until you understand then you can decide what 'makes sense' to you.

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  • 25-34_m_f_h4_f4
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    The existence of god is irrelevant to me. I've read the quran and the bible, and basically I've learnt that god is a self centred psychotic violent unfair being. People kill eachother over his name for no rational reason at all.
    My actual opinion that "maybe" he is out there, but even if he is, I won't follow him, not for a second.

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  • ''The only excuse for God is that he doesn't exist'' Stendhal

    Well I am atheist simply because I was raised in a European school which was extremely secular and religion had no place in it, neither my colleagues who were European or westernized Egyptians didn't give a damn about religion! This mean that religion is a way of life you get when you live in a religious society and with a religious way of thinking, but once you move away of this society, you see that you can perfectly live without God or religion.. it's simply a state of mind a philosophy that you can take or leave! To quote Stendhal again ''I'am atheist, thank god!''

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