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i have a question for you guys.
every time i express my support for the kurdish LGBT there are always some kurds (and other nationalities) who say that this is not what kurds should be focusing on right now.
they say the important thing is FIRST to secure kurds their rights and THEN start discussing LGBT rights.
these people always say that i am "diluting" the kurdish cause and that has made me wonder why so many use this exact reason for not dealing with their prejudices against LGBT community.

can it really be that human beings can't deal with more issues about freedom than just one at a time?
i mean, dealing with your prejudice against kurdish LGBT in your community is something private, something you yourself have to start changing. it is so different from the freedom fight for kurdistan because that fight is not taking place in one's own home, that is a fight taking place in parliamentary and the streets.

i ask kurds to consider why they are so hateful against kurdish LGBT and i ask them to consider it at home and in private but it is as if they are saying "we don't have time for it what with our time-consuming fight for kurdistan." i mean, really? the average kurd is not fighting for kurdistan and could spend that time getting over their issues with the kurdish LGBT community.

and it is quite ignorant, i think, to say that the fight of the kurdish LGBT does not belong in the fight for kurdistan. of course it belongs there, of course we can fight for their rigths as well as our own, i mean it is the same thing. freedom is freedom.

what do you think about this excuse that kurds should not focus on kurdish LGBT rights because it is too busy fighting for the freedom of kurds?
(it makes no sense to me, i find it contradictory) .

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  • I understand their point but LGBT rights within the Kurdish community IS also "Kurdish" rights. I think they are just putting the subject off because it makes them uncomfortable. Once Kurdish rights are achieved (I hope) then they will find other excuses like "well we must focus on the economy first."

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  • I think it's just an excuse and not a legitimate reason why they prefer not to focus on this issue. You should keep bringing it up. What if people want to bring up concerns about honor crimes in Kurdistan? Does it mean no one should talk about it because people should first focus on liberating it?

    • 17-24_f_w_h3_f1
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      i am glad to hear your opinion about this, thanks. i definitely will keep bringing it up, it is just that this pathetic excuse was so ... well, mind blowing idiotic that i am still stunned. : )

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  • 25-34_f_w_h3_f2
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    It's the same with any other community I would think. LGBT rights has never and probably will never be a priority for any popular human rights movement and political/social issues will always be the center of people's attention because they're easier to play a part in. They are "safe" issues (and by safe I mean socially acceptable, not safe from potential government abuse.) No one wants to upset their colleagues, friends or supporters by adopting a cause as risky as this.

    Personally speaking I would rather that people ignore it instead of advocate against it. Sometimes I worry that if it got too much attention then it would backfire and gays/lesbians/trans individuals will start being under attack.

    • 17-24_f_b_h1_f2
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      no i disagree with this. if we started thinking this way about every problem then nothing will be solved. important to always bring it up and push it foreward and to keep insisting for our rights. otherwise whats the point? we hide from everyone forever?

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    • 25-34_f_w_h3_f2
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      I guess you have a point, but at the same time some of the advocacy I see is a bit provocative and designed to draw too much (negative) attention.

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      advocating for human rights is never provocative. if it makes other people uncomfortable thats their fault for not having an open & tolerant mind. we must do what we can to make our voices heard.

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  • LGBTQ rights, just as women's rights and the right to dignity, are human rights. I don't think we can pick and choose which rights are more of a priority, should be focused on, or are more important because human rights, by its very definition, encompasses all rights. Build allies within the community, don't exclude populations because "it's just not time."

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  • 17-24_f_w_h3_f1
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    i appreciate your comments because i cannot discuss this with anyone else seeing as no one wants to speak about it. i have one gay kurdish friend and he said the same thing as you although he can also understand why some people use that reason about "now not being the time for kurdish LGBT rights."
    but cool, so i'll just keep talking about it until people feel more comfortable about LGBT. : )

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  • 12-16_m_b_h4_f3
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    im kurdish but think about what your saying ,you want to give the gay kurds rights before giving THE KURDS THEIR RIGHT

    • That's not what she's saying at all. She's saying Kurdish rights should also include the rights of the Kurdish lgbt community.

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      kuwaitilove is right, that is not what i am saying, elmatador.
      and as some have expressed above, gays kurds = kurds and kurdish LGBT rights = kurdish rights. they should be the same but kurds keep putting this wall between themselves and the kurdish LGBT community.
      and as martin luther king said (i know, it's kliche to quote him but!): a right delayed is a right denied. so if kurds do not accept the LGBT community but are silent and thereby part of the oppression of kurdish LGBTs, then it is truly sad and an indication of how little we kurds have learned from our struggle for freedom.

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  • 25-34_f_b_h1_f3
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    Of course kurdish rights are LGBT rights. All human rights activism needs a gender analyze, or else it will get so one dimensional. Many of our problems are linked to gender: Men who break the man role norm will be punished, and the same with the women. And when people break the holy rules of heteronormativity you will again get a punishment, and it does not matter how you break the rules (being queer, trans, getting a divorce, having a partner/child without marriage). Gender has everything to say about the issues of Middle East, everything.

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