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What kind of excuses GAYs use !!

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1st , I am totally straight .. but my job force me to deal with gays everyday ..

I always though gays are originally people that faced hard time with girls, or maybe they turned gay to be in the minority that a lot of topics spin around -make em feel like a big deal-, or maybe they just wanted to be different.

SO , 1 time i asked a homo dude "Why you r gay?"...
he just replied, "i've no idea , i was born like that !"...

SO what the hell is that , no one is born gay -as all religions says- ... and as u though i can't face a gay person with religion -as if he cares- ..

**So i want some help to answer such stupid excuse.. cuz i am not -by any chance- believing that some people are born homosexual..

IF you don't like what i am saying, still tell me how stupid i am.

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    Hai! So i think i will reply to this para by para, so that I can address all that you have written. Cool? Wonderful!

    - Awesome for you man, I'm straight too. I don't exactly have to deal with gays everyday, but even if I did, it's not exactly any of my business. Just like being straight isn't any of theirs.

    - I think, for this I'll combine the next two paragraphs, since the answer is interconnected; Well.. they are born that way. For them to feel what ever they feel towards whomever they may love, is as natural for you to feel what you feel for whomever you may love. Only thing is, it's not exactly easy for everyone to realise this about themselves, or even others. Besides, one can't just presume whatever we like about the other person. And as for religion, it's frankly whatever it is, is between our conscious and God. We are not the one to make judgments on others. Don't just assume stuff. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

    - Just because you don't like the answers you are getting, it doesn't make them any less true. You may not be able to comprehend the concept of their sexuality, but they live with it, thus know better than you about their feelings, etc.

    You don't need an answer to the excuses; you need to not ask questions unless you are willing to listen with an open mind. Take care dude.

    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f2
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      You just typed the EPIC answer, but not for my question...My Question is for people who is just like me (Face the same problem , Know/think homo is wrong ) BUT have some more intelligent way of convincing or have some similar experience.
      trust your -open minded- answer is what i always get. Thanks for trying :)

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      Well, considering you are at an LGBTQ friendly place, I doubt you will find that many similar thinking people. It's better to get your answers in a place where you can find people who have more your way of thinking, yes?

      Although I personally believe, that whatever your thinking maybe, it's not really one's place to force their opinions on other. As I stated before, everyone has a right to believe and think what they like; best is, to put your view calmly, rationally, positively (it works better than aggression and negativity) and logically with readily available and genuine facts. I hope you have researched your facts properly with genuine references. This works for any argument, so yeah.

      If one doesn't agree, then they have the right to their belief just like you do. Try not to judge anyone too harshly because we can't ever have complete facts about them, so one can be in the wrong, and in that case said person will be guilty of unfairness to the other person, you see?

      Anyway, that's about all I can offer. Hope it helps :)

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  • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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    Just like you didn't choose to be straight, I didn't choose to be gay. It's how we are born. Homosexuality has also been observed in animals (you can look that up), so there is evidence that it is biological and not an 'excuse'. And I also agree with Anon there, it seems like you don't like what you hear, but that doesn't mean that it's not true. Have a good day.

    • 17-24_m_w_h3_f2
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      Ok , i will say it again..
      thanks for replying, and ofc i know people would give me the same answer as yours -i wasn't born yesterday-..
      but again , i am asking people who share my point of view for help .

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    • 17-24_f_b_h1_f3
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      Hello Mirage,

      Welcome to the site! You're not going to find many people who share your point of view, since ahwaa is built to be our home for arab queers on the internet. You're welcome in our home, have some tea and cookies, and we'll share an argileh.

      Edel and kuwaitlove and anonymous have already given you some great answers, so I won't add to them, and I can't help you with your question. But I would like to tell you that us gays are pretty all right. Especially in a work environment, I don't think you can tell the difference between work done by a gay and a straight (person) (doesn't matter who they like to sleep with, they're still people).

      Let us know if you have any other questions we can answer.

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  • 25-34_f_w_h3_f3
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    Salaam Mirage,

    I hope you are doing well. Firstly, thank you for your honesty and for sharing your question with us. I'm sure there's a reason why you are here; to find answers right? You are at least trying to gain the knowledge and somewhat being openminded by posting a topic. So, thanks for that. I love your name btw. Mirage. You know...a mirage (as you know of course) is caused by heat and it's as if you see ripples of water, but that's only the imagination. It gives the impression that it's water, but it's because air is less dense around that area (be it a road or something else). Can you imagine with me that what you believe to see isn't what you are truly seeing. You're probably thinking....who is this chick and what the hell is she talking about?

    Well, I'm a bisexual..devoted Muslim..who believes that acting on same sex attraction is haram. It is against God's law and I am to live my life with this struggle..this test and inshAllah because of my struggle..I hope to enter Paradise. I have never been in a relationship with anyone. I have never been intimate (physically, emotionally) in my life.

    I can also tell you that if it were a choice; I would've chosen otherwise. I've been this way ever since I can remember. I was created this way. Everyone has their own test in life. Some were born blind. Some were born deaf. You think they chose to be blind or deaf? It's the same thing. Just because there's this image about "the gays" doesn't mean that it's true. People see this "mirage" and assume that it's reality. People differ...people make their own personal choices. I have made mine, but I don't think less of my 'gay' friends who chose otherwise. I disagree about their choices, but I'm sure they disagree about mine. Some say I was born this way; so I will live my life as the way I was created. Some say I was born this way, but I will live my life as a test. There are no excuses; there are only choices. God Himself has given mankind the freedom of choice. I have chosen, you have chosen...and they have chosen. Life is full of choices. If you ask someone..why are you gay? And that person replies with..I have no idea; because I was born that way. Why didn't you ask further...dig deeper. "Oh that's interesting. What made you think you were born that way?" "How was your life before you made your choice?" "What have you been through or what struggles have you been facing?" Every person has his/her own story. Every person is unique. But, what makes us better from one and other is our kindness towards each other. You don't have to agree with anyone, but at least hear them out.

    I was born this way. I have accepted it...through facing many difficulties...from depression to even wanting to kill myself...but I had to accept the way I was created...so I can live my life know what I am and doing the best I can to live a life that God wants me to. Because, it is haram. That is my personal opinion and my believe. Islam. That is what makes me happy.

    Also, I believe in karma. Whatever you give to the world you will receive in the end. It's best if we stay friendly, respected and kind towards each other.You never know how karma will bite you back. We don't mock blind people. We don't mock deaf people. We don't mock people by judging them on their looks, their faces....we only judge people by their good or bad deeds. Same way as how we're to be judged in the end.

    And one tip..if I may...everyone is someone. A brother, an uncle, a nephew, a son, a grandson, a cousin....everyone has dreams, wishes, expectations...everyone struggles on the same level. If someone is judging someone...know that they're judging someone's son..brother etc. Even if they're an orphan...they're judging Adam's son. We're all brothers and sisters in the end. No color, no size, no orientation or money...will make the difference.

    • ....wow Vicci :)

      I had never read a statement quite like yours before.

      What I like so much about your response is that, while I have chosen a different path in my life (yani, I allow myself to follow my urges, and also I'm not religious), I can *happily* and *wholeheartedly* agree with your key points:

      - People differ...people make their own personal choices
      - Every person has his/her own story. Every person is unique. But, what makes us better from one and other is our kindness towards each other. You don't have to agree with anyone, but at least hear them out.
      - Whatever you give to the world you will receive in the end. It's best if we stay friendly, respected and kind towards each other.

      I agree with all ^ of those, and yet we lead quite different lives :) It just goes to show you, we can all have the same values and yet live our lives in the way we think is best for us.

      Hmm, I'm having some trouble finding a way to express myself, but really Vicci, your writing has affected me this afternoon. I've actually (I hope you don't mind) saved it on my computer, to reread later.

      To bring this back to Mirage (welcome to Ahwaa!): I agree with Vicci - ask people more than just one question, and remember that, whether we like it or not, there are some things in life we can not choose - our family members, our dna,whether or not we like coffee - but what we CAN choose is *how* we *live* our lives....to argue all the time with our siblings, or try to speak with them calmly and with compassion; to indulge our cravings to eat two kilos of chocolate at once, or to never touch chocolate at all; to brush our teeth everyday, or to just do it after we've eaten garlic...I hope you see my point in these examples.

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    • 51-65_f_f_h1_f3
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      I loved your responses Vicci and Archipelago :)

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    • This is simply amazing vicci

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  • 25-34_m_w_h1_f4
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    mirage you sound exactly like my brother :o

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    I think the most stupid excuse is I was born like that or it is common among animals I dont have any proplems with gays but you know i dont like lies specialy when you're lying to yourself what i think is people turn gay either because they want to or because they have psycological proplem and by that i don't mean crazy but i mean for example you love another of the same sex and you think of sex as the most sacred thing and the best way to thank the other or you feel the need of protection or what so f*******g ever and if you believe in God , think if some of us were realy born gay and there is adam and eve have the first four kids and two of them were gays good bye humanity i know that you might say that I really have proplem with gays
    but what i think is if you wanna fuck the same sex go ahead but don't say i have no choice say it is your choice

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      To be quite honest, you're lying to yourself by ignoring scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is biological and not a psychological problem. I know that it isn't a choice and I also know that I'm not lying to myself. I know because it's been there ever since I can remember. It's just the way I, and so many others, have been born. God made us like that and your argument makes no sense. Just because God didn't make Adam and Eve's two of their first four children gay doesn't mean that homosexuality can in any way be associated with the end of the human race or the absence of homosexuality in their time mean that it is wrong. And might I remind you of the incest that took place to continue the human race. If they considered that wrong then, then humanity would not have existed. I suppose what I'm trying to say is even if two of their children were gay, that wouldn't have been an obstacle either.

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    • 17-24_f_w_h3_f2
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      Hey anon. You started off with "I don't have any problems with gays" but then said that we Might say that you "really have a problem with gays". I mean, you Really have a problem with gays. I just wanted to point that out though it's very obvious to the rest of us anyway.

      My point, I think you should really understand homosexuality first and recognize your homophobia before posting disrespectful comments like this that honestly do not make sense to me.

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  • 25-34_f_b_h1_f3
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    okay let's see what does the latest science have to say about this!!!
    Watch this Vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ZPugUHO6I
    This Vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQSx3OCrXQ
    And This Vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMnS3JOO53A
    By then you should really know what makes a person gay, bi or transgender

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  • 25-34_f_b_h2_f3
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    My question is not even related to the topic.. But whats that cool job that forces you to deal with gay's.. Are you hiring?

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  • I think your colleagues feel very sad that they too are "forced" to deal with homophobes in the workplace every day. Why are you so concerned with them being gay anyways? Would you be concerned with colleagues who drink alcohol and have premarital sex? Religion is against these things too, but I'm not sure you will mind it as much.

    No religion says you can't be "born gay" - they just say it's "wrong" but so are 1000 things that people do every day without any form of condemnation or punishment. Are you actively against every single one of these things too?

    I am only trying to understand why you feel this way against us.

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